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Khopesh Refits?
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| DanielHawking |
Posted on 15-11-2005 07:01
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Testing of the Khopesh and the noticing of the new weapons systems as part of Task Force 100X operating in [LOCATION CLASSIFIED] has led Commodore Novak Elson to believe that the Khopesh-type heavy corvette to be refitted with the new 100mm Assault/Pulse Ion Cannons to replace the current 87mm Pulsar mounts.
Thoughts?
Edited by DanielHawking on 17-11-2005 06:21
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| Nemmerle |
Posted on 15-11-2005 09:21
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Fleet would like to see the effectivness of the APIC technology under combat conditions before sanctioning its integration on an already proven platform. |
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| Old Crusty Commodore |
Posted on 15-11-2005 18:04
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how come a commodore is not aware of the testing as stated
its a flag rank
he led to belief implifies(sorry ) that he is assuming the weapons have changed being a flag rank he would have neglected his duty too not look properly at a new ships speclist(or even scan the mounts)
other then that id love to see the Khopesh with the 100 mil variant
Weather aint neutral.... |
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| Old Crusty Commodore |
Posted on 15-11-2005 18:07
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how come a commodore is not aware of the testing as stated
its a flag rank
he led to belief implifies(sorry) that he is assuming the weapons have changed being a flag rank he would have neglected his duty too not look properly at a new ships speclist(or even scan the mounts)
other then that id love to see the Khopesh with the 100 mil variant
Weather aint neutral.... |
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| DanielHawking |
Posted on 15-11-2005 20:31
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Confirmed with higher-ups that the PIC87 internal systems would be easily modified to use 100mm APIC with very simple changes as opposed to, say, 150mm HVR mounts.
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Principe de PDS says: omg
Daniel Hawking says: When we say "hit", do we mean "fire weapons while dropping from sky" or "land on terrorist base to cause terrorists to crap pants"? |
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| Altima |
Posted on 15-11-2005 23:53
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Recommend upgrading from two to three units per squad. Cost effectiveness currently has the more expensive khopesh less survivable compared to the Levi.
Perhaps reduce the number of DEW to replace with solid slugs in order to boost engine performance and agility? |
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| yasotay |
Posted on 15-11-2005 23:57
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OPS/FDB - concern with increased internal power and weapon displacement with new weapon systems. Increased mass will require improved engine performace to retain current level of maneuverability. |
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| DanielHawking |
Posted on 16-11-2005 01:49
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Testing: current armor systems are somewhat low, being susceptible to massed attack. One in the pair was destroyed in action against a group of Vaygr CtH, however, the remaining unit managed to destroy the other three remaining CtH and wipe out the squadron, once suffering systems failure.
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| Nemmerle |
Posted on 17-11-2005 16:07
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Fleet believes that the decreased power demands of the APIC technology (it doesn't draw from the reactor anymore being a localised power source) should be given over to the drive system in order to increase survivability. |
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| DanielHawking |
Posted on 17-11-2005 17:52
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Increasing the output of the Khopesh's gravitic drives might be able to increase the maneuverability - if not, agreed, greater forward thrust to keep pace with some of the newer high-speed ships such as CLCG Laxamana, other LiirHra cruisers, and also FB Bloodhound III. Currently, the maximum tactical speed allows the Khopesh and Lavi corvettes/frigates to be easily outstripped by these newer ships, and if these corvettes were to be used in an escort role, then they would be left behind, also leaving behind the air cover of the task force.
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| Glacialis |
Posted on 17-11-2005 17:57
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Also keep in mind that the other HGN frigates aren't going to be able to keep up with he BH3. Considering the BH3's propensity for rushing into things...that isn't necessarily a bad thing.  |
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| TelQuessir |
Posted on 18-11-2005 05:04
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Jr.WM Q. Val'Saghress, representative of Karelian Mar'yan Fleet says:
Khopesh class robotic weapons systems have been found to be tremendously useful in the escort corvette role, although inadequate against wolfpacks of Loyalist heavy fighters.
If you do not want the ship then we will take them.
This will be parallel with our (Mar'yan Fleet's) refit projects converting common Vagyr warship classes to the Pax Hiigara's technological systems.
ps. Some of you call us "Karelian IVF". I wonder how that name came into being.
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| Ar-Khanis |
Posted on 18-11-2005 06:06
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[CPT] A. Khanis - Deliverance BV Hyperion (current attachment withheld)
Throughout the progression into the latest generation of naval technology, the Khopesh CTH has found itself relegated into the role of an escort vessel (as noted by the Mar'yan Fleet representative).
Numerous combat trials (both live and simulated) have shown the Khopesh to be a capable vessel in this aspect, especially when paired with flights of the newer Lavi FLA. Indeed this pairing does complement the strengths of both vessels quite well- the Lavi possessing overbearing frontal armaments and good combat endurance, with the Khopesh in turn being a more flexible ship, providing excellent supporting coverage with its' numerous turreted weapon systems. This is of course something many if not all of you will already know.
However, from monitoring in extensive combat situations, I believe the refitting of the main turreted weapon systems of the Khopesh CTH should not be the main priority, as in its' escorting role for other strike craft and above, the firepower these vessels can bring to bear appears not to be their 'problem', but the endurance they possess does.
I would tentatively suggest further resources be directed into further improving the armour and systems integrity before a weapons refit is considered. The HGN already possesses a more than capable very-heavy corvette / light frigate for assault purposes, and it may be prudent to develop the Khopesh complimentarily to that, rather than parallel.
(simplified and out of RP: Lavi is already excellent at blowing the rivets out of almost anything it runs into within its' scope, why not improve the longevity of the CTH's -armour and systems-endurance in particular- to highlight their ability as such capable escorts, rather than having another Lavi but just with more turrets? If you're planning on going the whole nine-yards and upgrading the armour and systems and weapons of the Khopesh all at once though, I really hope the Vaygr have something nasty in the works  ) |
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| DanielHawking |
Posted on 18-11-2005 07:11
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(Karelian cluster IVF units, perhaps?)
Commodore N. Elson:
Yes, they are ineffective against heavy fighters - but those fighters are designed to be countered by our own heavy fighters or by our Hawk attack drones.
The reason why we are giving you this technology is because we have the best interests of the cluster in our minds. We would want you to [Elson barely avoids calling their stationkeeping "doing their jobs", and almost makes a comment about their "occupation" in more ways than one] defend the system in the most efficient way as possible.
Your fleet's refit projects, therefore, are an extention of this system defense.
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| TelQuessir |
Posted on 18-11-2005 07:40
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Jr.WM Q. Val'Saghress, representative of Karelian Mar'yan Fleet says:
I presume Commodore Elson writes in reply to both my statements here and in the (IVF-HGN technological sharing on warships) thread.
We would be pleased to integrate the Khopesh class into our order of battle - but I would question the capacity of the good Commodore in making such high-level decisions.
The Mar'yan Fleet has received nothing but obsolete weapon systems from the Hiigaran Navy thus far and I see no proof of improvement in this situation.
I believe that both our forces have a admirable and large responsibility in maintaining the security of this sector and thus the resolution of this issue is a very important one. Commodore Elson will do well to put me in touch with the chief diplomatic officer for HGN forces in the Karelian sector.
Edited by TelQuessir on 18-11-2005 07:43
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| Nemmerle |
Posted on 18-11-2005 09:46
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Captain M. Soban wrote:
Captain M. Soban believes that the Khopesh corvettes are outdated in comparison to the Lavi supralight frigates, and recommends proliferation of the Lavi vessel and the mothballing of remaining Khopesh corvettes.
He readily admits to his lack of inclination towards corvettes. =)
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Fleet: Lavi frigates while essential in an anti-capital role lack the same adaptability to multiple threat forces which the Kopeshi corvette provides. As such until a more comprehensive armarment model for the new hull is developed Fleet wishes to continue to employ Kopeshi frigates in a strike-craft support role. It should also be noted that a modernisation program is underway for the Kopeshi that should improve its combat effectivness. |
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| Altima |
Posted on 18-11-2005 20:43
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Mothballing an expensive and quite useful piece of equipment such as the Khopesh is not cost effective. However, the Khopesh can undergo certain restructuring in order to turn it into a next generation automated weapons platform.
Without the need for pilot controls, life supporting systems, engines, a Khopesh weapons platform can become a most interesting defensive platform, especially considering that, currently, the IVF in the Karelian Cluster are on the defensive, strategically. |
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| Glacialis |
Posted on 18-11-2005 21:00
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Static weapon platforms are nothing more than target practice if there are no moving targets nearby. If the Khopesh can be converted to an unmanned drone flight without performance reduction, excellent. But if not and even if so, there is still plenty of room for modernization. |
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| Altima |
Posted on 19-11-2005 01:07
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As opposed to a mobile corvette that is also target practice, but has a much-needed HGN naval personel on board?
I'd rather be in a pioneer assaulting the Deliverance II than dogfighting in a Khopesh at this point. |
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| Glacialis |
Posted on 19-11-2005 20:25
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What part of unmanned did you miss? The vehicle in question can be upgraded to keep up, as it's a very new hull. It is not obsolete and it is not "target practice". |
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